You can take it. Lol I yield the floor.

I been done with this thread.

Post #48 is all I had to say.

Fenster wrote in post #38: "As to all this "genocide" b.s., the legal concept of "intent" needs to be proven. Got any proof of "intent" to commit genocide?"

Hively wrote in post #48:
"Intent? Here's an excerpt from the article Ray posted:

"Netanyahu has also recently invoked Biblical language to “justify” his mass killing of Palestinians. In a public oration he quoted Samuel 15:3 saying, “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible.” And, quoting “Our Holy Bible”: “Now go and attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.”"

I’m pretty sure one can find the verbatim text of every version you mentioned on the internet. As far as YouTube is concerned I’m sure one can find videos of a narrator reading each of those versions as well.

Imo what he did was make a veiled genocidal threat toward the Palestinians last October(not just Hamas), using the Old Testament of the bible as a historical reference, and precedence.

South Africa (and others?) took Israel to the Hague (International Court of Justice) over this.

Based on Netanyahu's statements, statements from his cabinet, the IDF, the ICJ court arguments, and conditions on the ground, I think the Israeli govt, at least at one point, intended (intent) to wipe the Palestinians out. Genocide.

I'd guess they walk that back a little now considering they got taken to the Hague and the world is paying more attention than they were last fall. I hope that's the case, but maybe not. Time will tell.

Did you read the article? You couldn't have. The author is saying "our bible". They're his words. Not from the bible. He said, and quoting "our Bible" then goes on to the Samuel quote.

Hively Post #2: "I simply do not support Israel's genocide of the Palestinians whatsoever, and I'm not a "far-left agitator and Islamist-sympathizing activist." Just a guy that doesn't enjoy seeing an entire group of people being wiped off of the earth."

That's what the last section of Deuteronomy 25 indeed says: "Therefore it shall be, when the Lord your God has given you rest from your enemies all around, in the land which the Lord your God is giving you to possess as an inheritance, that you will blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven."

If that's what you, Fenster, DMV, ZRX and Stogie think, then own it. Join up, strap up, go kill some women, children and Hamas. Kill em all. But on the other hand, spare me the "western enlightenment" and religious reformation speech.

I couldn't believe that's what Israel used as a defense. Bc it, too, called for "Amalek" to be wiped off the earth. Lol Holiday/museum quote or not...

Also, I mentioned all of that (post #2) before Ray posted the article with the Samuel quote. So, no matter which Amalek reference you think Netanyahu used, in this context (of war) they are both veiled genocidal threats, or as Jeebs argued, dangerous political rhetoric. And as I said, time will tell.

And for the record, ever since the Cbid Covid Wars, I'm not interested in your opinion about anything. I'm not interested in your opinion specifically, not everybody that disagreed with me about "Covid".

I don't like talking to you in general. If I want to know your opinion I'll ask Fenster. Why do you care, at all, what my opinion is on the happenings in the newest theater of WW3? I'm just a Qbert, remember?

You couldn't even wrap your mind around the fact that Thomas Di Lorenzo was the one that said "Our Bible", not Samuel and certainly not me. I think he was kinda trolling Bibi there or maybe it was a typo. I don't care either way.

I didn't even post the article, Ray did. Why don't you make a thread about blocking him for his thought crimes. Oh that's right, you already did.

The quote that Netanyahu said was " Remember what Amalek did to you.". This is 6 specific words found in Deuteronomy 25:19. Also, Netanyahu said our holy scriptures. Those 6 words are used in at least 1 Holocaust Museum, and a Holocaust memorial near The Hague. Certainly, in these 2 locations the words are not taken to mean genocide of Germanic people, also the word Bible was never used. I was hoping RH would do enough research on his own to learn this. I tried not to call him out on the fact that using Samuel 15:3 is incorrect. I felt this would be somewhat nasty. Though anyone using Dave's Killer Bread is talking about ancient history in my opinion. That was originally a reference about me being nasty on here. He is someone who does not follow the crowd just because they are the crowd. While I disagree with many of his opinions, I can still respect them. His opinion on this is at least based in part on irresponsible news reporting. I assume this is to promote their own agenda. So, in turn I would ask why you are interested in what my point is? If you feel the need to verify what I am saying is correct, then do a deep dive into this. While not obvious because of the massive disinformation it can none the less be found.

The United Nations now claims that "the fog of war" is to blame for a major overstatement of the number of Gazan children who have been killed in the war.

In mid-March, the U.N. Children's Fund stated that 13,450 children had been killed in Gaza, citing figures from the Hamas-run Gazan Health Ministry. Catherine Russell, the director of UNICEF, said in a television interview on March 17 that those numbers were "staggering" and "really shocking."

"We haven't seen that rate of death among children in almost any other conflict in the world," Russell claimed at the time.

The statistic was cited frequently in the international press, leading to accusations that Israel had committed war crimes, including targeting babies and children intentionally.

Even Hamas has since admitted that those numbers turn out to be off by at least 40%. The United Nations revised its numbers last week, without providing an explanation.

"When it comes to Israel, it's clear that the U.N.'s goal is not accuracy, but rather to immediately seize on any report, no matter how unsubstantiated or even manifestly false, in order to portray Israel as malevolent," Hillel Neuer, executive director of UN Watch, told JNS.

"The right thing for the U.N. to do now would be to admit that their casualty count in Gaza is a complete failure," Neuer added.

Last Wednesday, the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) released updated casualty figures. Some 7,797 Gazan children had died in the war as of April 30, it said — a roughly 42% drop from the mid-March numbers.

It also revised its casualty figures for women by nearly a half — from more than 9,500 to fewer than 5,000.

In a little-noticed change, OCHA differentiated in its new figures between "reported" and "identified" fatalities, including the 7,797 children figure in the "identified" category.

Using OCHA's math, out of 10,158 reported but unidentified casualties, 5,653 (56%) would have to be children to add up to the figures published in mid-March. That would be far more than is indicated by the information the United Nations released last week, which claims that children make up 32% of the identified deaths in Gaza.

JNS asked Farhan Haq, deputy spokesman for U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres, at a press conference on Friday why the math doesn't add up.

"The revisions are taken … you know, of course, in the fog of war, it's difficult to come up with numbers," Haq told JNS. "We get numbers from different sources on the ground, and then we try to cross-check them. As we cross-check them, we update the numbers, and we'll continue to do that as that progresses."

Salo Aizenberg, an independent scholar and author and HonestReporting board member, told JNS that "It's absolutely true that the fog of war makes it difficult to assess casualties, but this was the case from the beginning of the war."

"It's outrageous that only seven months later, the U.N. is questioning the Hamas-supplied casualty numbers," he said.

In early April, the Gaza Health Ministry said it had "incomplete data" for 11,371 of the 33,091 Palestinian fatalities it claimed to have documented at the time. The ministry later said it did not have names for more than 10,000 of the Gazans it claimed were killed in the war.

The ministry has not revealed publicly how it compiles its published information. No independent media exists in Gaza to try to verify it.

"For reporting Gaza deaths, there is no method and no standard of proof," Neuer told JNS. "All the U.N. does is parrot figures supplied by Hamas, which is laundered and legitimized by the U.N. as the neutral-sounding 'Gaza Ministry of Health,' or 'Government Media Office,' when in fact both are run by the Hamas terrorist organization."

"Now that the U.N. has suddenly reduced some of the figures by half, they've essentially admitted to have been feeding the media and the world completely false numbers," he said.
As recently as last month, the Hamas-run government media office has repeated claims that 70% of the deceased were women and children.

Haq, the U.N. spokesman, told JNS that "Numbers get adjusted many times over the course of a conflict. Once a conflict is done, we'll have the most accurate figures."

But Aizenberg's research has shown that "For many months, there have been obvious errors identified in the numbers published daily by OCHA, which are ultimately based on Hamas reporting," the scholar told JNS.

Aizenberg pointed to an immediate claim by Hamas of nearly 500 deaths in an Oct. 17 strike on Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza, which turned out to be a Palestinian rocket misfire and evidence suggests a drastically lower death total. Still, Hamas hasn't corrected its initial tally.

His analysis has also revealed that Hamas reported on certain days in the first months of the war that more women and children were killed than the total number of all fatalities.

"We're just going with what we can absolutely confirm, which will always be the low end of what the numbers are," Haq, the U.N. spokesman, told JNS on Friday.

Abraham Wyner, a professor of statistics and data science at the University of Pennsylvania, published a statistical analysis two months ago that showed how Hamas faked casualty numbers.

The Washington Institute for Near East Policy also released a report in January showing major discrepancies in the fatality reports, concluding they were most likely caused by manipulation.

"While it's better late than never that the U.N. finally admits that the casualty numbers issued by Hamas for the last 200 days are not reliable, the false data has infiltrated everywhere," Aizenberg told JNS.

He cited U.S. President Joe Biden's claim in his March 7 State of the Union address that "more than 30,000 Palestinians have been killed."

The U.S. State and Defense Departments have also used that statistic officially, apparently relying on Hamas data.

Neuer told JNS that "If U.N. officials continue to legitimize a Hamas-run system that has now proven itself to be completely false, they will be complicit with terrorist propaganda."

The revised Hamas casualty numbers, taken together with Israel Defense Forces claims of terrorists killed—a distinction Hamas does not make —"demonstrate that the civilian/casualty rate in Gaza is likely 1:1 or lower, which would amount to the lowest ratio in the history of urban combat, starkly contradicting any notion of indiscriminate IDF attacks," Aizenberg told JNS.

JNS asked Haq on Friday if U.N. figures can be considered reliable.

"You can consider them reliable from the fact that we're continually checking them," he said. "We'll continue to do that over the course of the war. But the numbers, you know, ultimately have to be regularly checked so that we can be sure that what we're putting out is valid."

In Jan. 2014, the U.N. Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights announced it had stopped updating the death toll from Syria's civil war, as it could no longer verify the sources of information.

Further evidence that Israel is terrible at "Genociding"...

https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/israel-war-un/2024/05/13/id/1164462/

UN Blames 'Fog of War' for Overcounting of Gazan Child Deaths

Information needs to be third party verification with the third party having no agenda. This is the only way to find truth. I care about innocent people dying. One question I have is the percentage of Hamas/militarily active supporters killed to innocent people being killed. I can find no verifiable information on this. Bibi says about 1 to 1. If true, this is the best number in any war that has ever happened. As I find this statistic nowhere else, I question its accuracy. Israel has the ability to destroy entire countries. Only Saudi Arabia and perhaps Jordan do. Based on their advanced American weapons. Iran has hardware store quality stuff and Russian defensive systems do not work. Israel has proven this. Iran and Russia are still third world countries no matter how vehemently they disagree. I also wonder about the quality of Chinese weapons based on their substandard manufacturing. Biden wants to send 1 billion dollars of munitions rounds, mostly tank rounds to Israel. I like this idea. This war can only be won on the ground in my opinion. As far as Hamas, let any other non-terrorist mid-eastern country take them after a complete vetting by Israel. It has been proven to me that the withheld bunker buster bombs will not end this war. We should be sending directional force bombs instead which would have greater effectiveness and cause fewer civilian casualties.

And that is why America was the FA & FO World Champion. They hit Pearl Harbor. Played the war the way they wanted to till we invented some new toys and told them we had a "game changer". Told 'em to surrender and they didn't. So Little Boy tore 'em a new ass. Told 'em to surrender again and they didn't. Japan met Fat Man. They were on Big Mo less than a month later giving Mac Arthur their autographs. Begs the question why did they need to be asked twice?

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Japanese mind: Failure is not an option. Forge forward. Do not stop until you win.
That's why they beat-out the U.S. car manufacturers...