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Abrignac Offline
#1 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2024, 4:19 PM EST
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Any idea why Toyota decided they needed to manufacture an oil filter housing that requires an $11 special tool to compress a spring inside the housing instead using the same twist on all-in-ones found on damn near every other passenger vehicle as well just about every heavy duty vehicle sold in the US in the past 1,000+ years?

Enquiring minds want to know.
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#2 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2024, 4:31 PM EST
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I hate the new filters. They’re on more than you think. My John Deere combine has one. 9560sts


Jeeps have em. They suck. The housing will also fail. The. You’ve got that to replace. The spin on canister is far superior.

Haven’t ran into the ones with the spring needing a tool. Sounds lame
Abrignac Offline
#3 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2024, 4:49 PM EST
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
I hate the new filters. They’re on more than you think. My John Deere combine has one. 9560sts


Jeeps have em. They suck. The housing will also fail. The. You’ve got that to replace. The spin on canister is far superior.

Haven’t ran into the ones with the spring needing a tool. Sounds lame


Broke the POS OE black plastic one. Seems the last time the oil was changed a crayon strong gorilla tightened the cap. Had to use a 650 ft lbs torque impact wrench to unscrew it. It took a good 10 seconds of ratcheting before it broke fee and began turning.

Replaced it with a cast aluminum one. Don’t plan to tighten it near as much as grape ape did the last time it was changed.
Brewha Offline
#4 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2024, 4:50 PM EST
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That’s just Toyotas way of saying “You should buy a Model 3”.
HockeyDad Offline
#5 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2024, 4:52 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
That’s just Toyotas way of saying “You should buy a Model 3”.


They kinda hung a curveball and it’s out of here!
Abrignac Offline
#6 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2024, 4:59 PM EST
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FIFY

Brewha wrote:
I am a troll.
Brewha Offline
#7 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2024, 5:04 PM EST
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A Camry cost twice as much to operate as a Model 3, is genuinely slower, has 20th century tech and needs oil changes - that sux.

The jury says: “Camry - Not ready for Prime Time”.

Herfing
Abrignac Offline
#8 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2024, 6:54 PM EST
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Brewha wrote:
I am a troll, part dieux.

MACS Offline
#9 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2024, 7:16 PM EST
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Oh, come on now... even I laughed.

You threw a slow pitch and he whacked it.
corey sellers Offline
#10 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2024, 7:19 PM EST
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Home run
corey sellers Offline
#11 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2024, 7:24 PM EST
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Or was it they do built **** now days to make more money . It is called engineering. To make something the customer will break and have to keep buying . Job security my shop teacher told me a story one time about a local saw mill . The steel the were using for shafts was some cold rolled bull**** . He built them one with good steel and they did not need another for a long time . But when they had a problem they always called him. The machine shop they were using was screwing them and making money constantly. When he started doing it they had no more problems. Just sayin ….
Brewha Offline
#12 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2024, 8:39 PM EST
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In fairness, Toyota has a well deserved reputation for building the most reliable and longest lasting cars there are.
They are guilty of over design for the sake of reliability. While a BMW will some what commonly have their oil pump come loose, leak and cause “engine failure”, on a Camry you need a special tool just to remove the oil filter.

And, if Anthony drives it for ten, twenty or thirty years, he may save enough to buy a sense of humor…….
Abrignac Offline
#13 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2024, 8:42 PM EST
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MACS wrote:
Oh, come on now... even I laughed.

You threw a slow pitch and he whacked it.


I guess. I was posting while laying on a creeper waiting for my son to get back from the auto parts store a 1/2 mile up the road. Ended up making five trips today.

1) needed washer solvent

2) little Johnny Moron gave me the wrong oil filter for son’s Mustang the other day. So he had to return that one while I was under the car.

3) broke 2 brake pad harness pin bolts because grape ape over tightened them last time she had the brakes changed. Needed replacement bolts. Went with him.

4) needed special tool to remove wife’s car’s oil filter cap. Waited under car on creeper.

5) broke oil filter cap thanks to grape ape over tightening it last time she had the oil changed. Needed a replacement cap. Waited under car on creeper.

So yea I’ve been I a pissy mood.
corey sellers Offline
#14 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2024, 8:54 PM EST
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Little Johnny MORON is everywhere you go . Box stores and all . When someone actually ask if I need help I telll them real fast thank you for asking . Cause these kids these days could care less. But you do have the over achieving young dumbasses to that don’t know **** . But will try and tell a machinist thread sizes . I always find that fun and fudge with them. I cut threads on a lathe for 20 years , I worked in a production plant all that time . I was the plant manager I know how **** works . I just want a 1/4 20 bolt dammit. I understand fully.
Abrignac Offline
#15 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2024, 9:31 PM EST
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corey sellers wrote:
Little Johnny MORON is everywhere you go . Box stores and all . When someone actually ask if I need help I telll them real fast thank you for asking . Cause these kids these days could care less. But you do have the over achieving young dumbasses to that don’t know **** . But will try and tell a machinist thread sizes . I always find that fun and fudge with them. I cut threads on a lathe for 20 years , I worked in a production plant all that time . I was the plant manager I know how **** works . I just want a 1/4 20 bolt dammit. I understand fully.


Yep. He looked it up and wrote the number on a sticky so I could grab it off the shelf. He transposed a couple numbers.
frankj1 Offline
#16 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2024, 11:15 PM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Yep. He looked it up and wrote the number on a sticky so I could grab it off the shelf. He transposed a couple numbers.

hmmm...not so gud wif numbahs.
maybe he's gud wif wurds?
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#17 Posted: Sun, Feb 25 2024, 11:19 PM EST
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We can’t be good at everything
Abrignac Offline
#18 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2024, 12:09 AM EST
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Brewha wrote:
In fairness, Toyota has a well deserved reputation for building the most reliable and longest lasting cars there are.

I seriously doubt their version of an oil filtration device retainer is heads and shoulders better than the competiton.


They are guilty of over design for the sake of reliability. While a BMW will some what commonly have their oil pump come loose, leak and cause “engine failure”, on a Camry you need a special tool just to remove the oil filter.

Oil pump leak? Oil pumps are attached to the block, pump oil through a passageway way milled into the block and are accessed by removing the oil pan so they aren’t known to leak. But to come loose because an engine assembly technician failed to properly torque it to specification, that’s certainly possible. But the most likely cause of a BMW oil pump coming loose is because the engine spent a large amount of time reving over 6000 rpm’s. Keep in mind most BMW’s rev around 2800-3300 at 70 mph.

And, if Anthony drives it for ten, twenty or thirty years, he may save enough to buy a sense of humor…….

Ok I smiled a little at that.


But you failed to mention BMW’s most famed Achilles tendon. It’s the water pump impeller. They’re plastic. It’s well know that it’s not a matter of if, but when it’s going to fail. When it does it’s a $1,000+ repair at a dealership. It’s one of the main reasons people trade in their BMW’s prior to the warranty ending.

My son had a 5 series. Don’t remember which one. But I had to replace the water pump. Did it myself. Fairly painless to do. Bought an aftermarket pump with a metal impeller. Was about 1/2 the price of a OE pump that came with another plastic impeller. Saved about $700 - $800 on parts and labor while installing a much more durable pump.

Wife totaled it shortly thereafter. Her and our daughter walked away without a scratch.
MACS Offline
#19 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2024, 6:37 AM EST
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Owned 2 German cars. Not doing that again.

#1 - the German engineering expires with the warranty, if not before
#2 - everything is difficult to do yourself or requires special tools
#3 - everything is expensive... parts, maintenance, service

Do they drive awesome? Yup. Are they worth the extra $$$? Nope.
Abrignac Offline
#20 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2024, 8:22 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Owned 2 German cars. Not doing that again.

#1 - the German engineering expires with the warranty, if not before
Pretty much.
#2 - everything is difficult to do yourself or requires special tools
Mostly true with a few exceptions.
#3 - everything is expensive... parts, maintenance, service
Absolutely

Do they drive awesome? Yup. Are they worth the extra $$$? Nope.


Without a doubt. Absolutely not.
MACS Offline
#21 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2024, 8:43 AM EST
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Abrignac wrote:
Without a doubt. Absolutely not.


Well... with that said, if money wasn't an issue, I would most certainly get another and have the dealer maintain it. LOL
Gene363 Offline
#22 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2024, 9:39 AM EST
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The I Do Cars guy has many examples of complex and over designed German engines that have been demolished. Not to worry tough, there are also examples from Japan, Korea and the US.

I was surprised to hear certain BMW engines need their rod bearings replaced as part of routine maintenance, at ≈70k miles.

http://www.cigarbid.com/...Engine-Teardown-Channel
Abrignac Offline
#23 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2024, 11:23 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Well... with that said, if money wasn't an issue, I would most certainly get another and have the dealer maintain it. LOL


That’s where the Camry’s had been going for routine maintenance. But now that things have changed I’ll be doing the maintenance.

Thought it would be cheaper to do the oil change myself instead of having it done at the dealer. Of course I didn’t factor in $10 for a special tool or $40 for a new oil filter housing cap. But at least it’s running Mobil 1 High Mileage Oil through a WIX filter.

Front brakes only cost $65 for ceramic pads and an extra $10 for replacement bolts so that’s not bad. About to head back to my house and do the rears. Those pads were only $55. Though I’ll need to stop at O’Reilly’s and pick up a set of pins and bolts for another $10.

Thankfully the rotors are smooth and still within spec. Those are $60 per for the rear and $75 per for the front.

The dealership or a shpo would have charged at least $500 for front & back just to change pads.

Changed to oil and filter in my car a few days ago. It’s running Royal Purple. But, I drive it a bit harder than she drives hers.

I prefer to do the maintenance myself that way I know it’s done properly.
Abrignac Offline
#24 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2024, 11:40 AM EST
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Gene363 wrote:
The I Do Cars guy has many examples of complex and over designed German engines that have been demolished. Not to worry tough, there are also examples from Japan, Korea and the US.

I was surprised to hear certain BMW engines need their rod bearings replaced as part of routine maintenance, at ≈70k miles.

http://www.cigarbid.com/...Engine-Teardown-Channel


BMW engines are milled to extremely tight tolerances. As a result the bearings don’t last as long. Neither do the seals. Stock BMW gaskets also tend to prematurely fail. Not sure why.

About 8 years ago I considered buying a used 5 series with 80-90k on the odometer. I was planning to overhaul the engine before putting more than a handful of miles on it. Parts alone were going to cost upwards of $3k. That included an OE oil pump, Fel-Pro gaskets, Mahle pistons and rings, Mahle/Clevite seals, ARP bolts and studs, a timing chain and other related parts.

The flood killed those plans though.
rfenst Offline
#25 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2024, 5:14 PM EST
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Honda.
Gene363 Offline
#26 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2024, 5:23 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Honda.



They are good but...

https://www.youtube.com/@I_Do_Cars/search?query=honda
MACS Offline
#27 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2024, 5:40 PM EST
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rfenst wrote:
Honda.


Is an engine company that happens to make cars. Motorcycles. Lawn mowers. Outboards. Generators. You get the picture...
Mr. Jones Offline
#28 Posted: Mon, Feb 26 2024, 8:12 PM EST
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I know exactly W.H.Y. THEY did it...

I had a Chevy CITATION ?? OR A CHEVY ??? MODEL?
THAT HAD A SCREW IN PAPER FILTER THAT CAME OUT OF THE BOTTOM OF ENGINE BLOCK...THE FLUNKY HIGH SCHOLL DROPOUT **** who stripped the threads on that oil pan/ engine block that can not be replaced or repaired....

W
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Lifting out the entire ENGINE...DETACHING IT FROM THE TRANSMISSION
THEN REPLACING THE OIL PAN WITH NEW THREADS...
IT COST ME $750 IN 1992 DOLLARS...

THEY ARE COPYING CHEVY NIGHTMARE ENGINEERING...
rfenst Offline
#29 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2024, 11:29 AM EST
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MACS wrote:
Is an engine company that happens to make cars. Motorcycles. Lawn mowers. Outboards. Generators. You get the picture...

I'll take a Honda engine/motor anytime.
Jakethesnake86 Offline
#30 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2024, 12:55 PM EST
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I grab a lot of parts from rock auto. Like brake pads and such. Reasonable prices
Gene363 Offline
#31 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2024, 1:27 PM EST
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
I grab a lot of parts from rock auto. Like brake pads and such. Reasonable prices


Rock Auto rocks!
Abrignac Offline
#32 Posted: Tue, Feb 27 2024, 3:59 PM EST
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Jakethesnake86 wrote:
I grab a lot of parts from rock auto. Like brake pads and such. Reasonable prices



Depends on what I'm doing with the parts.

If it's non-consumable mission critical parts I always buy top quality that meets or exceeds OE parts. I don't buy lower tier engine parts because a failure can costs many times more than the savings. Plus, often those parts don't fit properly. With name brand that never seems to be an issue

When shopping for these parts I like to use Rock Auto's parts catalog. I think they have the most user-friendly interface. Once I have the part numbers, I'll shop them against Amazon, Summit and Jeg's. Many times, I've found to cheaper than other outlets. Especially if my cart doesn't meet the free shipping threshold. It's hit or miss though.


OPTION ONE:

AC Delco Gold Serpentine 7K673

AMAZON PRIME with Free 2-Day Delivery $31.25 + Tax
Rock Auto $24.79 + $9.99 Priority Mail = $34.78 + Tax
Summit Racing; (Special Order) $24.99 + $11.99 1--5 Day Ground Shipping = $36.98 + Tax
Autozone $42.49 + Tax
JEGS $49.99 +$14.99 2-Day Shipping = $64.98+ Tax
O'Reilly not available
Advance not available

OPTION TWO:

GATES K070673

AMAZON PRIME with Free 2-Day Delivery $21.62 + Tax
Rock Auto $21.79 + $7.99 Priority Mail = $29.78 + Tax
O'Reilly 29.99 + Tax
Advance 34.99 + Tax
JEGS $37.99 + $14.99 2-Day Shipping = $52.98 + Tax
Autozone; not available
Summit Racing; not available


Listed Autozone for info only. I never shop there. Just not a fan of the brands they carry.

For Oil and Air Filters I like O'Rielly's. They carry WIX which is my go-to filter brand. Plus, there's a location aboout 1/4 mile or so from my house.

For fluids like oil and such you can't beat Walmart.
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