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WORLD WAR TREE...just started
Mr. Jones Offline
#1 Posted:
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Iran just launched slow drones that will take hours to reach Israel
Plus ballistic missiles which will get there sooner at 11 pm Israel
Pm time...all GPS IS TURNED OFF IN ISRAEL...


THIS IS GONNA ESCALATE



R
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QUICK-LIKE

QUICK DRAW MCgraw comes to mind...
RobertHively Offline
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Well if it's like everything else around here, we'll get it 20 yrs from now.Mellow
rfenst Offline
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Will Israel retaliate right away by striking Iran?
If it does, we got problems.
If not , this could be the trigger of a wider middle east war or possibly even WWIII.
Gene363 Offline
#4 Posted:
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Iran just grabbed a container ship that belongs to an Israeli owned company.
Mr. Jones Offline
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Wait and see...
Tomorrow morning could be a real eye opener...

Those "slow moving drones " could be filled with anything...
Anything at all...
Chemical weapons?
Biological weapons?
Dirty bombs?
Actual nuclear device?

Those Ayatollahs have big balls and are very stupid...

We could wake up to Tehran
"UP in smoke" from a nuclear device delivered by a kamikaze
Israeli pilot...

.they have a little known division in their airforce that train just for that scenario...it's been on the books since 1981 ...after the little known "Apian way Run " THE TVA NUCLEAR HEIST in green non descriptive buicks thru Tennessee and Georgia which left from jekyll Island and savannah by fishing vessels...a 50/50 chance of success that went 100% SUCCESSFUL...
rfenst Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
Iran just grabbed a container ship that belongs to an Israeli owned company.

Iran or the Houthis?

If it was indeed Iran directly, things are going to get 98.2% worse
MACS Offline
#7 Posted:
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Pop some popcorn... ol Corn pop ain't gonna do a f'n thing... if he does anything it will be to tell Israel to use restraint.

F--- that. Israel... bomb the living sh*t out of Iran. Those ragheaded f-sticks can suck on sand. Swift, severe, unrestrained retaliation is what is needed.

Mr. Jones Offline
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In Sept. 1979 8,000 lbs of enriched uranium and plutonium was missing from the start of the nuclear age (1945???) to 1979... ALL from the TVA..

It was hidden for yrs, then moved...stored IN LEAD BOXES..by the Israelis....
Mr. Jones Offline
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Get to know " funeral homes".....heavy caskets takes on a double meaning...
Double entendre'
Gene363 Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Iran or the Houthis?

If it was indeed Iran directly, things are going to get 98.2% worse


Iran, they helo-dropped onto the ship.
rfenst Offline
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MACS wrote:
Pop some popcorn... ol Corn pop ain't gonna do a f'n thing... if he does anything it will be to tell Israel to use restraint.

F--- that. Israel... bomb the living sh*t out of Iran... Swift, severe, unrestrained retaliation is what is needed.


You have to consider the effect of Iran's counter-attack on Israel, other countries' and proxies' response before going all out. It's potentially MAD scenario. Sadly, we may see what Israel's military can do... again... and what military capability Iran really has.
8trackdisco Offline
#12 Posted:
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Mr. Jones wrote:
Iran just launched slow drones that will take hours to reach Israel
Plus ballistic missiles which will get there sooner at 11 pm Israel
Pm time...all GPS IS TURNED OFF IN ISRAEL...


THIS IS GONNA ESCALATE



R
E
A
L

QUICK-LIKE

QUICK DRAW MCgraw comes to mind...


Maybe Israel will get lucky. The drones may have been made by Boeing?
8trackdisco Offline
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Maybe this activates the 98.2 thousand terrorist sleeper peepers who crossed over the border.

Moneline in Vegas has Biden Surrenders at +180.
PapaWhiskey Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
Iran, they helo-dropped onto the ship.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGmhK8dvgp4

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8trackdisco wrote:
Moneline in Vegas has Biden Surrenders at +180.

Laugh
BuckyB93 Offline
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I would not try to engage in war against Israel. What are they thinking? When pushed to the limit Israel can and will kick some ass. In my opinion we shouldn't try to coax them into being restraint and handcuff them. The terrorists countries that surround them started this war and deserve what they get.

With that said, I would not like US lives to be a casualty of this and dragged into a war that was started by terrorist states. Trying to coax Israel to be complacent is not what we should be doing. Give them the green light to protect their country and try to eliminate the threats. Support them as best we can without putting US lives in the middle of it.
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BuckyB93 wrote:
I would not try to engage in war against Israel. What are they thinking? When pushed to the limit Israel can and will kick some ass. In my opinion we shouldn't try to coax them into being restraint and handcuff them. The terrorists countries that surround them started this war and deserve what they get.

With that said, I would not like US lives to be a casualty of this and dragged into a war that was started by terrorist states. Trying to coax Israel to be complacent is not what we should be doing. Give them the green light to protect their country and try to eliminate the threats. Support them as best we can without putting US lives in the middle of it.


Israel has spent in inordinate amount of ordinance in the last six months renovating Gaza and a few in southern Lebanon.
You can be one hell of a fighter for six rounds, beating the pulp out of a weakling only to get a much tougher, fresh, motivated opponent with a score to settle, coming in hot and you are going to have problems.
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8trackdisco wrote:
Israel has spent in inordinate amount of ordinance in the last six months renovating Gaza and a few in southern Lebanon.
You can be one hell of a fighter for six rounds, beating the pulp out of a weakling only to get a much tougher, fresh, motivated opponent with a score to settle, coming in hot and you are going to have problems.


Yes. And it would be more than one opponent.

Im surprised that they didn't wipe out Hamas early on. It's been 6 months and they haven't been able to defeat what amounts to a well armed militia, on a 25 mile strip of land. Not good.

rfenst Offline
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The most serious indicator thus far- is that Iran is attacking Jerusalem.
8trackdisco Offline
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Cue the Chinese Navy heading east. Or is it west? That whole International Date Line always messed with me.

Another interesting, current bystander I’ll be watching if or how the Saudis process all this.
No fans either Houthis or the Iranians, and are not far from a peace treaty with Israel.

But….

How do they respond?
ZRX1200 Offline
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Two Iranian generals were killed in Syria before this…

They knowingly poked the goat fuggers so I’m guessing they were prepared for this.
Gene363 Offline
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PapaWhiskey wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGmhK8dvgp4



Yup. I watched the game video.
8trackdisco Offline
#23 Posted:
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At least we signed that aid package for Israel. They should be fine.
HockeyDad Offline
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I’m going to Disney tomorrow. WW3 can wait a day.
Mr. Jones Offline
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The SAUDIS HAVE MUCHO ON THE LINE...

DIRTY BOMBs OR NUCLEAR BOMBS INTERCEPTED before they reach Israel could really put the kibosh on all their oil reserves...
Neither Iran or Israel have neutron bombs...
The ones that kill all life but don't screw up the environment...

The Saudi's are between a rock and a hard place..
All their money depends on
NON RADIOACTIVE OIL TO SELL ...IF IT GETS RADIATED THEY ARE SCREWED
ZRX1200 Offline
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The important thing is, how do we leverage this for more bucks for the Ukraine money laundering scheme?
rfenst Offline
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U.S. and Great Britain sent planes to shoot down drowns and missiles over Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and/or Jordanian.
So, now we are directly involved.
Not good.
MaduroJorge Offline
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Israel's downing of 99% of the drone and missile attack from the Mullahs
is the result of REPUBLICAN President Ronal Reagan sponsoring some 40 yrs ago,
the Strategic Defense Initiative and other projects,defending against incoming missiles.

The Democrat geniuses fought him every step of the way, on R&D funding etc.
But The Gipper , as in many other projects, thankfully prevailed!!
DrMaddVibe Offline
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Financed by the US taxpayer 100%.

FJB
Gene363 Offline
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DrMaddVibe wrote:
Financed by the US taxpayer 100%.

FJB


Both sides, Iran with the crap-tons of cash FJB and Obama handed Iran.
MaduroJorge Offline
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Gene363 wrote:
Both sides, Iran with the crap-tons of cash FJB and Obama handed Iran.



That's right President Trump:

Placed sanctions On Iran, that nearly bankrupted the Mullahs
Ceased funding UNWRA for Palestine(Hamas)
Closed Palestinian Authority branch in NY

FJB undid it all plus threatened Israel with an arms embargo
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#32 Posted:
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MaduroJorge wrote:
Israel's downing of 99% of the drone and missile attack from the Mullahs
is the result of REPUBLICAN President Ronal Reagan sponsoring some 40 yrs ago,
the Strategic Defense Initiative and other projects,defending against incoming missiles.

The Democrat geniuses fought him every step of the way, on R&D funding etc.
But The Gipper , as in many other projects, thankfully prevailed!!


I could be wrong but wasn’t SDI mostly a ruse to get the Ruskies to tank their economy by trying to keep up with a non-existent high tech ploy?
MaduroJorge Offline
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you are right. . it was some bluffing as the technolgy to operate such a system was not fully developed ... But many land based missile interceptor
stations with sensors in space are in use today.
But, who knows what we have out there?
HockeyDad Offline
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rfenst wrote:
U.S. and Great Britain sent planes to shoot down drowns and missiles over Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and/or Jordanian.
So, now we are directly involved.
Not good.


No big deal. Reuters is reporting that Iran informed Turkey of the attack and Turkey informed the US and Biden green lighted the attack on Israel as long as it was within certain limits.


This is more like a Broadway play than World War 3.

Sucks to be Israel right now but….. vote Joe Biden. Israel is gonna get some Build Back Better.
MACS Offline
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Orange man says mean things on twitter!!

But he worked peace deals in the middle east, everything was cheaper, and our country wasn't being invaded.

You people who hate the dude, wake the f--- up. He's an arrogant asspipe, but he was DOING all the right things.

Anyone who thinks the country is better under Biden is an absolute MORON.
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MACS wrote:
Orange man says mean things on twitter!!

But he worked peace deals in the middle east, everything was cheaper, and our country wasn't being invaded.

You people who hate the dude, wake the f--- up. He's an arrogant asspipe, but he was DOING all the right things.

Anyone who thinks the country is better under Biden is an absolute MORON.


Amen brother
rfenst Offline
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HockeyDad wrote:
No big deal. Reuters is reporting that Iran informed Turkey of the attack and Turkey informed the US and Biden green lighted the attack on Israel as long as it was within certain limits.


This is more like a Broadway play than World War 3.

Sucks to be Israel right now but….. vote Joe Biden. Israel is gonna get some Build Back Better.



Iran did not provide US with attack warning or targets, White House says


Reuters April 15, 2024

WASHINGTON, April 15 (Reuters) - Iran did not provide warnings to the United States last week about its timeframe for launching an attack on Israel or its potential targets, the White House said on Monday.

White House national security spokesperson John Kirby told reporters that the United States did exchange messages with Iran but that there were never any messages regarding Iran's timeframe or targets for its weekend attack.

Kirby would not be drawn into explaining what the messages were about. He said that reports suggesting Iran tipped off the United States about its plans were "categorically false" and "malarkey."
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"Iran never gave us a message giving us the time or the targets," said Kirby. "This whole narrative out there that Iran passed us a message about what they were going to do is ridiculous."

Turkish, Jordanian and Iraqi officials said on Sunday that Iran gave wide notice days before its drone and missile attack on Israel, but U.S. officials said Tehran did not warn Washington and that it was aiming to cause significant damage.


Iranian sources told Reuters last week Tehran signaled to Washington that it would respond to Israel's attack on its Syrian embassy in a way that aims to avoid major escalation and it will not act hastily.

A U.S. official said late last Thursday that the United States expects an attack by Iran against Israel but one that would not be big enough to draw Washington into war.



So, Reuters published conflicting stories?
Stogie1020 Offline
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rfenst wrote:
Iran did not provide US with attack warning or targets, White House says


Reuters April 15, 2024

WASHINGTON, April 15 (Reuters) - Iran did not provide warnings to the United States last week about its timeframe for launching an attack on Israel or its potential targets, the White House said on Monday....[/h]


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I am sure they would never lie to us... It's like taking the NYT at their word.
rfenst Offline
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Iran’s Attack Is a Show of Weakness

The initiative has shifted to the Israelis, who need a calibrated response to restore deterrence.


WSJ

Over the weekend Iran launched a ballistic-missile, drone and cruise-missile attack on Israel from its own soil. The attack was without subterfuge and of a scale well beyond any that preceded it. The strike was indiscriminate in targeting and designed to cause casualties. Belated Iranian protests notwithstanding, this was a “maximum effort.” The Israeli response, aided by the U.S., the U.K. and nations in the region, was largely successful. Iran has demonstrated that it is willing to do anything to further its campaign against Israel’s existence.

There’s some history here. On Sept. 14, 2019, drones launched from bases in western Iran struck oil refineries operated by Saudi Aramco at Abqaiq and Khurais, Saudi Arabia. The damage to global oil production was significant. The Iranians denied culpability, and the profiles their drones used made it easy to avoid the reality of a state-on-state attack. On Jan. 8, 2020, Iranian ballistic missiles, also launched from bases in western Iran, struck Al Asad air base in Iraq. This was a response to the Jan. 3 U.S. strike that killed Gen. Qassem Soleimani in Baghdad. No U.S. troops at the base were killed, and heavy casualties were averted only because commanders on the ground anticipated the attack and repositioned forces accordingly. Iran claimed responsibility for this assault. Both these attacks seemed to represent a major escalation, a crossing of the Rubicon into the territory of attributable state-on-state attacks.

Why has Iran now undertaken what can only be characterized as a desperate attack—one that exposed the weaknesses of its much-touted missiles and drones? The reason is clear. For the past several months, Israel and Iran have engaged in a low-level “dialogue of targets.” Israeli strikes have taken out Iranian targets in Syria, Lebanon and occasionally Iran itself. Iran’s response has been ham-fisted. In the shadow war, Israel has outfought Iran.

The April 1 Israeli strike against Iranian planners in Damascus was the culmination of Tehran’s embarrassment. Taking a page from Russian strategic doctrine, the Iranians tried to escalate to de-escalate, taking a very aggressive action to raise the stakes dramatically. The intention is to cow the opponent into changing its behavior by convincing it that it is at heightened risk. The key to this kind of tactic is actual leverage—a genuine capability that puts the opponent at grave risk.

That hasn’t happened, because it’s apparent that the Iranians are playing a weak hand. For years the ballistic-missile, drone and cruise-missile force has been at the heart of Iran’s strategic deterrence—more important in practical terms than its nuclear program. The attack Sunday morning was poorly executed and a strategic miscalculation. The vulnerability of Iran’s force has been exposed, and the regime is gravely weakened as a result. Israel has been strengthened by a stunning display of military competence, a striking contrast with that seen on Oct. 7.

Another factor is that Lebanese Hezbollah’s involvement was minimal, limited to tactical rocketing into the Golan Heights. This is of enormous strategic significance. The scenario Israeli planners feared most was the “dual axis” missile and drone attack, in which thousands of missiles from Lebanon joined the attackers from Iran. Lebanese Hezbollah is as dedicated as Iran to the destruction of Israel, but it realizes Israel’s ability to wound it badly if it enters the fray. So far Hezbollah has chosen to sit on the sidelines. That made the Iranian attack a manageable problem for Israeli defenders.

For the U.S., the successful defense of Israel validates years of work to create an integrated air and missile defense, an effort that brought together many nations that all recognize the threat of Iran. It also vindicates the decision to move Israel from European Command into Central Command, which covers the rest of the region. The seamless coordination and mutual support this enabled was evident under demanding circumstances.

Iran’s overriding strategic priority is protecting the theocratic regime. Fundamental to this was a conventional missile and drone force that could overpower its neighbors. This failure shakes the regime’s stability. In conducting this latest attack, it has shed the last check on its ambitions. Iran will attack any regional nation anywhere, without pretense or deniability. The downside for Iran’s targets is that once a nation has conducted an attack of this nature, it is politically easier to do it again.

What’s next? The initiative has shifted to the Israelis. The gap between Israeli competence and Iranian aspirations is clear, even to the Iranians, despite their attempts to put a brave face on their failure. Israel’s neighbors will certainly see the effectiveness of its defense. Israel could unleash a violent and decisive counterstrike against Iran.

Some are calling for Israel to destroy the Iranian nuclear enterprise. Now isn’t the time for that. What’s needed is a carefully calibrated response on a scale that reinforces Israeli technical mastery. That would reset deterrence. Informed observers, whatever their sympathies, all know who won this engagement. The hard part, as always, is translating battlefield success into lasting policy advantage and an opportunity for peace. That’s the task for Israel.





Gen. McKenzie, a retired U.S. Marine general, served as commander of U.S. Central Command, 2019-22. He is executive director of the Global and National Security Institute at the University of South Florida and author of “The Melting Point: High Command and War in the 21st Century,” forthcoming in June.
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rfenst wrote:
[b]Iran did not provide US with attack warning or targets, White House says




Based on this Turkish source, Biden approved the strike on Israel "within certain limits"...

https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/u-s-iran-israel/2024/04/15/id/1161034/


Seems almost like he was saying something about a "limited incursion"... but knew not to say it on TV this time.
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Stogie1020 wrote:
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I am sure they would never lie to us... It's like taking the NYT at their word.

OK. Then they did- so they could give the U.S., Israel and partners heads-up.

That makes no sense to give them time to get prepared and their planes in the air to take out Iranian drones and missiles.

I find that hard to believe unless they are total idiots.

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rfenst wrote:
OK. Then they did- so they could give the U.S., Israel and partners heads-up.

That makes no sense to give them time to get prepared and their planes in the air to take out Iranian drones and missiles.

I find that hard to believe unless they are total idiots.


A. They are total idiots.

B. "A" aside, they did not want an overwhemling offensive military reaction. "Here is what we are going to do, here's how we are going to do it. This is ALL we are going to do. Please don't bomb us back to the stone ages in response."
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Stogie1020 wrote:
A. They are total idiots.

B. "A" aside, they did not want an overwhemling offensive military reaction. "Here is what we are going to do, here's how we are going to do it. This is ALL we are going to do. Please don't bomb us back to the stone ages in response."

Right.
BuckyB93 Offline
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The embarrassment and incompetence of our leaders (I use that word lightly) continues.
rfenst Offline
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[quote=Stogie1020]Based on this Turkish source, Biden approved the strike on Israel "within certain limits"...
https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/u-s-iran-israel/2024/04/15/id/1161034/ ....
LOL!!!
The article you cited was written by Reuters.

HockeyDad Offline
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rfenst wrote:
[b][size=8]


So, Reuters published conflicting stories?



Iran told Turkey in advance of its operation against Israel, Turkish source says
By Reuters
April 14, 202412:12 PM EDTUpdated a day ago

ANKARA, April 14 (Reuters) - Iran informed Turkey in advance of its planned operation against Israel, a Turkish diplomatic source told Reuters on Sunday, adding that Washington had conveyed to Tehran via Ankara that any action it took had to be "within certain limits".
Turkey, which has denounced Israel for its campaign on Gaza, said earlier on Sunday that it did not want a further escalation of tensions in the region.
The Turkish source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan had spoken to both his U.S. and Iranian counterparts in the past week to discuss the planned Iranian operation, adding Ankara had been made aware of possible developments.

Earlier this week, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken spoke to Fidan to make clear that escalation in the Middle East was not in anyone's interest.
"Iran informed us in advance of what would happen. Possible developments also came up during the meeting with Blinken, and they (the U.S.) conveyed to Iran through us that this reaction must be within certain limits," the source said.
"In response, Iran said the reaction would be a response to Israel's attack on its embassy in Damascus and that it would not go beyond this."
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rfenst wrote:
[quote=Stogie1020]Based on this Turkish source, Biden approved the strike on Israel "within certain limits"...
https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/u-s-iran-israel/2024/04/15/id/1161034/ ....
LOL!!!
The article you cited was written by Reuters.


And?
rfenst Offline
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Stogie1020 wrote:
And?

The article you cited was written by Reuters.
So was the one I posted. They said two different things. Irony?
I don't automatically believe our government, let alone Turkey's...
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Everyone wants to chant “DEATH TO ________” till the counterpunch.
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