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Nope... the one they actually make won't hold a 62 lb dog.

It's a poor investment unless it picks your romaine lettuce for you. That $hit don't pick itself.

I have nothing against EV's or "green energy" endeavors. They have their place and time, like most things, where they are a better tool. Let the market, technology and the consumer decide what works best for them not government mandates. If you want an electric vehicle and it works for you, go for it (I own one - an Ebike). If I don't own an electric car or have solar panels or windmills then don't penalize me for my choice.

I shouldn't have to pay the electric company or the government money for not buying one so they can give someone else rebates because they chose an electric vehicle rather than some other version of power equipment.

My electric bill includes charges for electric vehicles, renewable energy, distributed solar charges. Granted it's only like $15 a month for those add on charges but why do I have to pay for it if I don't own any of it. ($15 x 12 = $180/yr penalty). Do I get credit from the electric company for owning an ebike? I have battery powered power tools, do I get credit for those rather than a plug in the wall one? Nope. Should my cell phone company be allowed to charge me extra money for not using an iPhone rather than an Android phone of the other way around? Nope.

Again, let the market, technology and the consumer decide what works best for them rather than government mandates.

(Brew will make some silly comparison of incandescent light bulbs vs LEDs or seat belts or some other irrelevant comparison)

….and chicks with dicks….everyone forgets them…

But us subsidizing Oil companies to the tune of trillions of dollars a year - you're good with that, right?

Absolutely not. The government doesn't need to be a nanny, nor does it need to "subsidize" anything. The less the fkn government does, the happier we'll all be.

So Macs, are you going to give back any money you get from government pensions ?

You own a "car" that makes fart noises.

You don't have any friends.

I like my EV, though it certainly is not the choice of most people.

I missed that - what are you driving?

What do Trump & I have in common? We both live rent free between Brewfart's ears. Cavernous, vacuous emptiness where a brain should be but those echoes...oh my.

Let him have his fantasies. That's all he has to cling to. The rest is a proven fallicy.

3 actually, a Ford F-150 Lightning and 2 Lucid Airs.

You should know that we all pay taxes that get used for a large number of different things that we don't personally use.

If I never bought gas, should my taxes subsidize Exxon? Yes, if it is in the overall interest of my country.

Should I complain about my tax dollars going to things I do not use? Maybe - it's the voting process and politics of what is best for the country. And no one - on one - is 100% happy about how taxes are spent.

So, you choose not to benefit from Green tax subsidies. Please, cry us all a river.
Just be judicious about it; you would not want to look like someone who cares exclusively about themselves - or would you?

EVs have a ways to go. Government should not be picking winners and losers as they generally suck pretty badly at that, just look at Solyndra. Couple people coming to the rescue of the government bureaucrats pointing to incandescent lights as a win for government mandates; but they lack the historical context. Government forced CFC bulbs onto the public years back and then discovered that they had small amounts of mercury in them; they also were touted to last for years and ended up burning out within weeks or months. Mercury in the home - great job Washington.... When it comes to Government, color me skeptical and for good reason. The main issue with EV's here in the Midwest is range and charging. Range is decent nowadays, but you have cooler weather here and that saps the range. In town is ok - then you can charge at home. Road trips are another thing - jury still out on that. The bloated infracstructure bill had something like 4.5 billion in spending for hundreds of fast charging stations, the rollout of that bloated program by Biden and team has absolutely sucked. There are only 5 completed charging stations after 2 years....FIVE. There remains a looong laundry list of materials that are going to limit EV's; haven't even mentioned the electrical grid, battery replacement cost, electrical cost going up, etc. Until I hear about several modern nuclear plants being built, EVs are destined for mid 15% range in market share......no matter how irate the screaming old man gets.

I agree that our governments mandates to increase gas mileage and stop using leaded fuel are generally hated by most Americans (I mean who doesn't want an original Hemi?). In fact American classically have all government mandates - I mean, name one we all like.

But the Big 3 EV makers have nothing to do with Biden mandates.

Number 1 by a landslide is BYD - Chinese
Number 2 is Tesla - Biden won't even mention them cause they are non-union.
Number 3 is BMW - Not a US company

I don't see evidence that the reason every major car manufacture is retooling to go electric is because of US proposed mandates.

So why are Europe and Asia moving so fast to EVs?

Once again, you are missing the point. This is not about taxes, that's a different topic. The charges I'm referring to are above and beyond taxes. My taxes that I pay have those subsidies rolled into them. This is an individual company (not the government) adding additional charges above and beyond taxes for products and/or services that I don't use.

Let's try this again. Say you order a plain cheese pizza, you pick it up and pay with cash. You look at your bill and you are charged for some pepperoni, some mushrooms, and a credit card service charge. Neither of those are contained in the product or service that you purchased. You are OK with paying for those charges?

Plus, you can stop with all that green infinitives BS about how EVs are an important positive step in that direction. There are plenty of examples out there and posted here showing that it is just smoke and mirrors. If you look at the entire life cycle from mining the supplies from the Earth all the way through to the death of the vehicle, the infrastructure needed to meet the pie in the sky goals and so on - it's actually a negative impact with our current technology and anticipated technology advances in our lifetime. Just set the goal/mandates and hope a miracle happens to achieve them.

It's great to set (arbitrary) goals but if there is no real world way of obtaining those goals it's all for naught.

The link doesn't work for me. I'd be interested in reading it.

I try not to be biased and try to base my opinions and stance on facts rather than what is pushed from sources that have a some preconceived notions or alternative motivations. I am not against "green energy." I actually wrote a paper trying to highlight the benefits of solar panels and wind power for a class I did a couple years ago (yeah, I know... who the F are you?).

We had to pick a topic and research it then write a paper on it. The sources must be from solid sources and scholarly articles. You had to address information that supported your argument and refute those that didn't. My initial premise was how solar and wind is going to make a big impact on our ability to move from fossil fuels to "green energy." While digging into it, reading stuff to support my argument (I really wanted to support my initial stance) but it started to melt away. Solar panels and windmills have been around for decades. They have made advances over the years (heavily supported by government taxes and subsidies) but they are not the solution.

By the end of the semester and writing the final paper, I had to admit in the conclusion that my initial premise was not reality.

In other news….


A Washington man has been arrested and charged with vehicular homicide after a Tesla in autopilot mode slammed into a motorcyclist, killing him.

The crash happened around 3:45 p.m. Friday in Maltby, Washington, according to a Washington State Patrol incident summary.

After I finished work yesterday the wife took me for a drive around the community in our new EV. It was quite nice.

Ford -1.3B

Just from this year?*





*Nevermind...used teh g00gl3.


"The company reported its first quarter earnings last night, and woo boy, it’s rough. Ford said it lost $1.3 billion on the sale of 10,000 electric vehicles in the first three months of the year — a staggering figure that amounts to $130,000 lost for every EV sold. "

https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/25/24140033/ford-q1-2024-earnings-ev-hybrid-loss-sale


At this rate it's going to be cheaper to give them away!!!!!

NAw...you enjoy that one. Remember...the Catalina was a cigar Robert had crafted for his lovely wife. She would enjoy the cigar as well.

Oh how I wish I had more of them!

Oh, I love Van Halen (RIP EVH!) and DLR. I regard them as the soundtrack to my late teenage and early adult summers! **** Van Hagar and Sammy. Sammy was okay on his own and personally I felt he didn't need to front Van Hagar. If his pride would've said "NO!", then Dave's return to the fold would've happened more naturally and sooner than it did, but he wanted it and the brothers used him as the clown to agitate. DLR is without a doubt a Top 10 frontman. He was an integral part of Van Halen and their success. When you go back and watch the interviews you hear him talking about the band. Not about himself. I was really shocked when I just found out that DLR was given a contract to make a movie and he went back to the band to record a soundtrack and the brothers said "No". It wasn't about him. Now, the ugly separation without Dave was just awkward. Yes, I bought the releases of both Van Hagar and Dave's solo work. Van Hagar had very little in regards to material worth a 3rd listen. Dave's unfortunately did not garner the radio play it deserved. Saw Van Hagar at the Monsters of Rock and it was a laughable event. Sammy pranced out dressed like Ronald McDonald with a Britney Spears headset microphone. This was the first exposure to Van Hagar and the Pontiac Silverdome wasn't having it. Dave especially with Billy Sheehan, Gregg Bissonette and Steve Vai assembled a band around him that was made for success. He took the best parts of Van Halen and found players that were as good or better than the originals. It's a shame it didn't last. I get why it didn't. I will say in the shows I did see with Dave he didn't crap all over the Van Halen catalog. It was done respectfully and he added touches like harmonies (that he probably wanted there all along!) that made sense. The Coup de Grace was the ill fated Dave & Sammy tour. What a torturefest THAT was. In the end I was glad that Dave FINALLY made it back home and the 2 tours (5 shows) I saw from them made me smile that they were back and like Dave said...3 parts original, 1 part inevitable. Wolfgang was able to cover anything and everything Michael Anthony was able to do. His crime was being friends with Sammy Hagar and choosing sides against the brothers. Oh well.

Enough of the talk of Music...this is a thread devoted to EV's or as I can now call it...their demise. Once the government tit is out of stooges mouths and they have to exist on their own...it will become obvious that there was bamboozling, hoodwinking and people lead astray.

Well said.

They've reached Peak Idiocy. Those that were told to buy them already did. The rest watched, waited and saw the $hitshow for what it is. Another WEF dominated Covid1984 planned event from the Henny Penny The Sky Is Falling stooges.